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This page was recently archived, all discussion were more or less closed, to see previous discussions see the most recent archive (User talk:Sixorish/Archive 5). -- Sixorish 03:23, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Protection

The protection of quest articles is after a long series of vandalism.[1] It is unlikely we will unprotect all permanently or even temporarily. Ask another administrator if you need to make an edit / request individual unprotection.

  1. ^ Yes I needed to mention this because apparently the message on the protection log is obscure and does not convey meaning.

-- Sixorish 03:23, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

H.L. and women

The templates need to be fixed, as H.L. does accept trades with female characters, depsite the dialogue suggesting the contrary. -- Ryo205 18:39, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

If that is the case, it certainly has been changed. I remember years ago (when you still traded by saying "buy <item name>"), he didn't even speak with my female character. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 21:19, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

I'll check it out when I get home if nobody does it sooner. Maybe there was an error in CipSoft's NPC scripting when they introduced the trade system. -- Sixorish (talk) 23:05, March 18, 2015 (UTC)


hi sixorish, i was reverting a few spammers edits yesterday and got blocked by the abuse filter on my user Vapaus- can you please unblock and maybe edit a codition to abuse filter not to block rollbacks?

thanks in advance, TempV (talk) 07:39, March 27, 2015 (UTC) (vapaus)

Hi Vapaus. There are no logs of your block. I guess you mean you lost autoconfirmed status which is preventing you from editing some semi-protected articles. I have reverted that so you should be able to edit most pages again.

Sorry that the filter caught you. I'll try to edit the conditions so that it doesn't affect you in the future, although it will be tricky. -- Sixorish (talk) 07:55, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

P.s im not sure i can track all the vandalized pages, it goes back from some time maybe you can remove all pages with either :"Bu/HU/BU" in them, i think i removed at least most of it but i cant be sure, they just put that at the beginning of many pages and later came and edited those spam pages to contain their keylogger~ link.

We can use Special:WhatLinksHere/Bu to find those (although a lot of entries are caused by transclusions), as far as I can see all of those have been removed. -- Sixorish (talk) 09:05, March 27, 2015 (UTC)


I think that maybe the warning should appear on all articles that have been edited since (approximately) 3 weeks ago, i don't see a reason for it to be on all articles that are not by admins or so, this is kind of what wiki is about, also maybe remove some articles from protected status since probably most of it had been protected for a specific reason in a specific time e.g a new item at a time where people kept changing the price in order to gain money which is irrelevant nowadays. just some thoughts :)
~ Vapaus (talk) 20:38, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Hey Vapaus, thanks for your concern.

I agree we shouldn't assume everyone except administrators are guilty. The message is not intended to label editors as shady, it's supposed to inform the readers that the page might be a target of the vandalism that's been affecting us. It is hoped that the reader will look at the content and then decide for themselves if it is a target of vandalism.

I have adjusted the script so that it will only warn the users if the page has been edited in the last 7 days. This will allow us 7 days to fix the vandalism before it becomes "trustworthy". The whitelist will remain but eventually all edits will become trusted by their age. This will at least allow some protected articles that haven't been edited in a long time to be considered as trusted. -- Sixorish (talk) 06:37, April 7, 2015 (UTC)


Hey Six, How did you delete Message_Wall:Scripts/Common.js? I saw no delete button. Or did you append &action=delete to the url or something? -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 12:13, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

I'm using monobook. It doesn't care for the Message Wall: namespace. But I suppose you could do ?action=delete on Wikia's skin. -- Sixorish (talk) 12:19, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

Autoblock mistake..?

Hey, One of our contributors (User:Cauli92) messaged me in game and said he had accidentally been autoblocked after diverting vandalism. I don't see anything wrong with his account (which doesn't appear to be blocked). As the recently blocked user Zareba had two associated IPs banned with him, I figured one of them must have been Cauli's. I unblocked one which appears to have done nothing for him (no idea how to reblock it, sorry). I don't want to risk unblocking the other adress. Could you take a look?
Art Featherpitch (talk) 22:30, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Infobox Building

Hey, I added the location parameter "back" to the new Template:Infobox Building, but I can imagine you imagined this to be different. E.g. like NPCs with a minimap or just the info in the infobox to the right. What do you think? -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 21:18, June 8, 2015 (UTC)

I didn't think of that but it might be a really good idea. -- Sixorish (talk) 22:42, June 8, 2015 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Item Borderlines

There are only two purchasable non-pickupable items (Football and Heavy Ball) and their only relevant trade property is the npcprice value which is also in Template:Price to Buy transcluded by buyfrom parameter. Since 1) the info is already displayed by buyfrom, 2) they are only 2 items, and 3) it's only one trade property, I changed the condition to show trade properties from movable=yes to pickupable=yes. I was selecting relevant information for our visitors. Reflecting about it, by the same approach the stackable parameter shouldn't be displayed for unpickupable items, but again, we have exceptions. Trying to find a general approach for borderlines, what do you think by hiding the display by default and using another condition (buyfrom>0 or stackable=yes) for cases like these? If you don't see any problem with this, I'll provide you a list of possible borderlines so you can adapt the template for them.

By the way, I've only seem items using immobile instead of movable, so the condition you mean should be immobile=no.

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 10:14, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

My bad with immobile, I'm so out of touch ...

I don't think it's a good generalization to make. Some mobile but nonpickupable items have a value (player value, that is). Dragon Throne for example, players might negotiate a price in-game for an unpackaged throne. These items can still have an inherent value, but according to this rule it's irrelevant and does not need mention. We could hide just the NPC price/value but personally I think we should include all to be thorough... the only time all of this is irrelevant is for completely immobile items.

-- Sixorish (talk) 10:59, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

White List Request

Could I be whitelisted? I noticed I cannot edit some pages, and when I edit others it shows a huge warning message about possible vandalism.

Mathias (profile, talk) 09:41, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, you're whitelisted now. :)

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 10:01, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

Achievement DPL

Six, is there a way DPLs can be coded to take parameter info as input and then create an output based on this info (rather than just displaying parameter info)? Having the Achievement DPL display a tick or a cross for the 'premium' and 'secret' parameters and treat 'grade' the same way lists do would be swell, and the best of both worlds... -- Wouterboy (talk) 10:37, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

Only way I think this is possible is to use phantom templates.

|include={Infobox Achievement}/DynamicList

And insert a tablerow in Template:Infobox Achievement/DynamicList. -- Sixorish (talk) 10:47, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

So (if I understand correctly), such templates find out how to interpret parameter info by consulting another template? Would the only difference between Template:Infobox Achievement/DynamicList and Template:Infobox Achievement/List be that the former can be consulted in this way but the latter cannot?

Also, I figure something similar would be needed for Book DPLs, as they (unlike lists) don't display the pictures of book types. Moreover, it would also have to accept input from multiple 'booktype' parameters. Unfortunately, though, I can't do any coding myself... <insert puppy eyes> -- Wouterboy (talk) 11:23, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

I created the DynamicList phantom template. Is that what you were after? -- Sixorish (talk) 11:45, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

And as for your question ... I'm really not sure what you're asking. Sorry. I'll try to explain.


include={Infobox Creature}/A

Includes Rabbit and searches for the (first?) template call of "Infobox Creature", and then calls the subtemplate, Template:Infobox Creature/A, instead of the Template:Infobox Creature, with the parameters on Rabbit. The subtemplate, Template:Infobox Creature/A, is responsible for generating the content such that DPL can understand it. -- Sixorish (talk) 11:53, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I meant 'calling' with 'consulting'.

It looks awesome now, except that the 'grade' column would look better if the symbols were put in the middle of their cells and three of them in the same cell would all be next to one another (but these are really nitpicks considering how much greater it looks now). Thank you! -- Wouterboy (talk) 12:12, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

That book DPL is awesome, thank you. However, is it possible to have the first column display the page name without the ' (Book)' instead of the title (in both lists and DPLs)? The fact that there are so many books without a proper title (and are thus 'Untitled') makes that a much better option. -- Wouterboy (talk) 15:26, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

I could do that but it would be very slow to perform. Page name - no problem, without the ' (Book)' we need to perform slow string operations, and on lists that's not a good idea. For your purposes it might not take a big hit from performance but on larger lists - where DPL is more needed - it can become a big deal. Books have always been weird, they don't follow the standards we use for other content. I don't see any issue in having the ' (Book)' suffix in the lists, at least until we can standardize the templates. -- Sixorish (talk) 16:09, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I already figured that making code do stuff like excluding part of the parameter info would be quite unnatural. I just adjusted the DPL so that it displays the entire page name, which is redundant (as the lists would only appear in libraries and under 'New Documents' headings etc.) but still much better than before (and also much better than having performance issues replace pet peeves, for that matter). Thank you!

Edit: forgot about changing the list code and both headers, but that's also done now. -- Wouterboy (talk) 18:27, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

Sixorish, because of your update to the object DPL the one for Tiles doesn't work correctly anymore (the second column displays the name again instead of the picture). I know it's an easy fix, but when I tried to do it myself things backfired... I have reverted those edits. -- Wouterboy (talk) 09:43, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting that, I took care of it. -- Sixorish (talk) 09:52, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

Map files suggests you do a lot of exploring/mapping. Do you use the downloads or have you mapped everything yourself? Would you mind sharing your map files (publicly or privately with me)? I’m asking because they might help me resolve Thanks in advance.

Mathias (profile, talk) 22:25, July 7, 2015 (UTC)

Hey Mathias,

I do explore new places myself, but I convert them to *.png and merge them with our full maps, so: yes, we explore stuff ourselves, but no, we don't have the full map files. The PNGs don't contain path data, so I don't believe they will be any use to you. -- Sixorish (talk) 01:40, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, but don’t you have a local `Automap` folder?

Mathias (profile, talk) 03:59, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

I do, but it's very empty... Here is my surface map for Test Server. For the regular Tibia it's a bit better, but still very bad. -- Sixorish (talk) 04:27, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

Would you mind sharing the `Automap/*.map` files for the regular Tibia server?

Mathias (profile, talk) 05:08, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

Interesting to read your github and site about map Mathias! I didn't know map files had path data. What I always thought would be a cool feature (in combination with our Mapper) is a tool which suggests travelling routes from place A to place B, including the amount of squares you have to walk and the time it takes. Good to know the data is there. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 07:01, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

Here are my map files hosted on Google Drive. Let me know when you get the file so I can remove it. I'm guessing you just want to test your script to see if the white rectangles are there? You can search Tibiacast for recordings and use that, since it just captures packets and the client creates the map. -- Sixorish (talk) 07:37, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, Sixorish! You can remove the file now. Btw, your maps have some data for the affected area and they don’t show the crazy white rectangles, which confirms my suspicion that the maps got mangled at some point. @Bennie: if you have any self-explored maps, feel free to send them over as well. For Science™!

Mathias (profile, talk) 07:53, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

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