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History section on content pages

Hey guys. I'd like your opinion on adding a history section to pages. Currently we link to history subpages. Under the new system the subpages would stay for ease of editing but they would be included on the pages. The format of these history pages would be very different. We would need a standard for formatting them.

I have a working example of what I'd like to see: A Sweaty Cyclops. Notable changes:

  • History template gone.
  • Formatting: bullet points for core changes and indenting for elaboration.
  • Headings: no more "Origin", "Ice protection" etc. headings; the headings currently describe the changes (what), but they should describe the version (when). If Pair of Earmuffs receives another ice protection adjustment where would that go? Versions that introduce changes to an item should have a unique header.

Of course this would be a long-term change. All history pages would need to be adjusted. The sooner we agree on a format the sooner we can get it done. -- Sixorish (talk) 13:49, May 27, 2015 (UTC)


I think we can all agree the history pages didn't work out what was intended when the format was created in the first page. The idea to have an origin for every history page wasn't really usable, either "introduced in update xx" (but we have implemented for this). Only a few pages have interesting origin stories.

So I agree a change is needed. Moving the content to the main articles seems reasonable, given that most history pages are very short right now, it saves a click if you don't have to navigate to them. I would suggest just completely moving their content instead of including (this would increase speed? or it doesn't matter after it's cached?).

It's a big project indeed, if every edit would be needed to be done manually. But I agree it's needed. I agree with your format, although I can imagine the bullet point list looks a little technical to most people. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 14:00, May 27, 2015 (UTC)


We should always think on what is the best for our visitors to read and to edit. Thus, moving the history to the content page seems the best option.
Thanks Six for putting time and energy on this!

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 02:22, May 28, 2015 (UTC)


Just to follow up on this old discussion, currently I'm working on history pages. What would you think is better:

  1. History section is always shown, if no history is available this is displayed in italic text;
  2. History section is hidden by default, but is displayed if parameter exists.

The advantage of the first option is editors know they can add history on pages which don't have it, but visitors might be annoyed by the message there is no history on 90% of our pages. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 11:13, August 24, 2016 (UTC)


I'd go for the second option because of exactly what you said.

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 22:15, September 12, 2016 (UTC)


Ok, this has been implemented in all relevant infobox templates. Only some item history subpages need to be merged with their main item page. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 08:00, September 27, 2016 (UTC)


All remaining pages using Template:History have been merged. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 15:08, October 14, 2016 (UTC)


New item parameters

Hey guys,

I am working on the Updates/10.94 weapons. This is a huge project, there are 120 wiki pages needed, from which only one third are created up till now. There is something else as well, I wanted to add six new parameters to Template:Infobox Item:

  • crithit_ch
  • critextra_dmg
  • manaleech_ch
  • manaleech_am
  • hpleech_ch
  • hpleech_am

This will have the advantage to query for these properties with DPL, to have them in separate table columns and not everything grouped in the attributes column. Like previously discussed, this should also be done with all the damage modifies like "axe fighting + 1". Any objections or thoughts? -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 09:19, August 24, 2016 (UTC)


Yes, go for it! As I stated last year, I believe skill and speed modifiers should also have their own individual parameters.
Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 22:24, September 12, 2016 (UTC)


Ok, I implemented the six new parameters and made separate DPL templates to list them. I will start adding new parameters soon and include skill and speed modifiers as well. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 08:01, September 27, 2016 (UTC)


Node-count limit

Does anyone know how to extend the node-count limit or how to circumvent it?

Affected pages:

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 22:47, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

It's called preprocessor node count. Kirkburn said this is not something we are likely to be able to raise (at least in the short term) and suggested us to look into ways to reduce the complexity of the page - perhaps by splitting it into more pages, or reducing the number of template calls it makes.
How can we reduce the number of template calls? Should we remove Loot and Dropped By columns from those pages (and all similar pages in order to keep the standards)?
Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 16:01, September 17, 2016 (UTC)
Seems to work, tested on Physical Damage/Neutral. I don't know what columns are most important to keep.

-- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 17:49, September 17, 2016 (UTC)


Two more pages added to the list. By the way, shouldn't there be a Loot namespace for such pages?

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 09:14, September 28, 2016 (UTC)


Re: namespace - No way. We're limited in the number of custom namespaces we can have (2 I think). Besides, these Loot pages are outdated and should probably be removed completely since they create huge maintenance jobs (if a creature's loot table is modified, all loot pages with that creature have to be updated) and they're seldom used (probably because they aren't up to date?). -- Sixorish (talk) 16:20, November 19, 2016 (UTC)


Just tuning in to say that I agree with Six regarding the pointlessness of those loot pages. -- Wouterboy (talk) 17:04, November 19, 2016 (UTC)

Renaming category for NPCs

Hey all, I plan to rename the category: Category:NPCs in Tibia to Category:NPCs, which is more logical. Are there any objections to abstain from doing so? -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 12:08, November 27, 2016 (UTC)


I believe Category:NPCs in Tibia is meant to be applied only to individual NPCs and Category:NPCs is meant to apply only to groups of them. However, the latter is barely used for its intended purpose, as you can see from the low amount of pages that are listed under it. The question you should ask yourself is whether this special group-sorting category is even necessary, especially given the fact that categories such as Category:NPC Locations and Category: NPC Occupations have taken over this role for a large part. Based on the outcome of those ponderings you can then decide either to carry out the move or to abandon it. -- Wouterboy (talk) 16:21, November 27, 2016 (UTC)


Ok, I think I made all necessary arrangements to do the change. Soon I will let my bot crawl over all wiki pages to do this search-and-replace. Hopefully this will catch them all and break nothing. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 17:19, November 27, 2016 (UTC)


Template:Infobox Item and Imbuing

I'd like to propose the removal of the parameter imbuable from the item template. Items are bound by the functional dependency imbuement → imbuable; an item is imbuable if and only if imbuement > 0. This parameter is not declared on non-imbuable items. Thus, we're storing the same information (imbuable) twice. While at it, I would also like to propose the imbuement parameter be renamed to imbueslots (preferred) or imbuements (plural).

Any objections to this? (Bennie, if you have time, I could use the service of your bot for this)

-- Sixorish (talk) 15:27, December 16, 2016 (UTC)


I agree with the removal of the imbuable parameter and rename imbuent to imbueslots. I'll set up my bot to do this soon. On a sidenote, how did you obtain the imbuements information? I couldn't find a list on the test server forum, but they also changed the items a bit since then. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 17:15, December 16, 2016 (UTC)


I had 94ish items and then I realized they added the number of slots to the market. -- Sixorish (talk) 03:35, December 17, 2016 (UTC)


The market is a good source of info, didn't realise that as well. My bot is currently editing the 200 pages. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 10:17, December 17, 2016 (UTC)


Tibia's 20th Anniversary

There's not a word about Tibia's 20th Anniversary on the front page of the tibia wiki. Even the events section says "This month, January, there are 2 events: New Year Time and Bewitched." Surely, Tibia's 20th anniversary is worth at least mentioning as an event.

Pattre Kempe (talk) 07:19, January 11, 2017 (UTC)

CreatureDroppedBy Bot Proposal

Hey guys,

I wrote a bot proposal. My idea was to write this bot in Java, since I learned it recently and use it daily on my job now. Anyways, a lot of programming languagues already have API access libraries. Then I can just run the bot ~weekly and maybe more during updates. If you have any feedback on this idea I'd like to hear them. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 09:50, February 18, 2017 (UTC)


i think this is a great idea, the only note i can think of right now is to eliminate certain special loot (silver raid tokens, party wall snake,party wall tinsel, party lampions - or during events like anniversary old rugs)

Vapaus (talk)


I think it would be good but there are two scenarios that this will cause issues:

There are of course workarounds to this:

  • Have all edits marked as pending review; post the list of changes to be made and allow editors to review these before they go live. They can edit the page to remove that item (hopefully making it impossible for your bot to find this issue next run).
  • Post all changes made to an article for review in post.

-- Sixorish (talk) 14:47, February 18, 2017 (UTC)


Thanks Vapaus, that's a good point. I think there is a list of filtered items in the loot parser which I can use and also add stuff like Gold Coin which we don't list a droppedby list of.

Sixorish, that's a good point but will only be an issue if I'd let the bot run without any double-checking. I'll have to look for false positives in the beginning and think of ways to filter them later.

I (almost) have a first working version. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 13:32, February 19, 2017 (UTC)


I thought the plan was to run it as a weekly cron job, fully unmanned; if you're checking the changes yourself, that shouldn't be an issue. Are you looking for help on the coding side of things? -- Sixorish (talk) 14:21, February 22, 2017 (UTC)


Well, a fully unmanned situation would be ideal, but requires some extra measures to prevent situations to happen, like you described.

I marked you as a collaborator so you can help if you want. But first I'm going to make the code a little cleaner, up until now I was just trying to get something to work, but I can do better than this (I'm currently reading "Clean Code" by Robert Martin which has some really nice insights, I can recommend it). -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 19:12, February 22, 2017 (UTC)


Reachable / Unreachable - Debug Tiles?

With the recent updates to the tibia-maps project, a few reachable/unreachable tiles were uncovered by Svargrond arena. I am guessing these tiles are related by some functional purpose, but what is it? Can they be reached or were they just temporary teleportation tiles while the debugging process was active; and if they cannot be reached, do they still exist? (If so, why?)

If they are related for some reason and still exist today, then surely other related game functions (seems to be time-based events?) have their own as well.

Here are some other boss rooms that have candidate tiles (or maybe not):

-- Sixorish (talk) 12:14, May 23, 2017 (UTC)


I've noticed similar tiles on PvP and PvE arenas, like here, here, here, here and here.

The tiles you mentioned in Svargrond arena have always been there and Cip never tried to hide them on the maps published to promoted/supported fansites (check the early versions of File:Minimap Floor 7.png).

Here's a "screenshot" of Svargrond arena's secret tiles:
Svargrond arena secret tiles

I believe characters are either teleported there in order to trigger the arena/boss event (making monster spawn, starting timers) or when the time is over (before being teleported somewhere else).

Other places:

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 14:59, May 23, 2017 (UTC)


Yes, they are used to trigger the spawning of certain creatures or to effectuate changes to the environment. I remember a post on the forums some time ago by someone who had figured out that the separate stages of the orcish raid on Zzaion are triggered by rats spawning on top of such switchplates. -- Wouterboy (talk) 02:21, May 24, 2017 (UTC)

BattlEye integration

Should we change Template:Infobox World to add a boolean field to represent whether or not servers are protected by BattlEye? -- Sixorish (talk) 05:22, May 26, 2017 (UTC)


Well, it depends. Won't all worlds get BE protection in a few months? Your suggestion would only make sense if for an extended period of time only a part of the servers are BE protected. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 08:34, May 26, 2017 (UTC)


Seeing how CIpsoft makes those changes, I think it's a good idea to have BattlEye column, if they keep activating it on few by few worlds, people will get lost eventualy, so even if it has to be reversed in near(half a year, year?) future, it could be pretty useful for now. Cauli92 (talk) 09:39, May 26, 2017 (UTC)


I had the same idea some days ago when I was editing a few game world pages. Go ahead, Six! :)

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 12:53, May 26, 2017 (UTC)


For the moment, CipSoft is experimenting with the cost-effectiveness of rolling out BattlEye. This means that any number of game worlds could have BattlEye enabled or disabled throughout the next few months. As such, I've added support for a parameter 'battleye' which can be removed if BattlEye becomes global. -- Sixorish (talk) 09:49, June 8, 2017 (UTC)


Yes, looks good! -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 17:39, June 8, 2017 (UTC)


Good job, Six!

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 17:48, June 8, 2017 (UTC)

Double Loot

Should we revert all Loot Statistics uploaded during the double loot weekend?

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 19:29, June 1, 2017 (UTC)


Or maybe just replace the page with an explaining text during that week? -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 19:41, June 1, 2017 (UTC)


One problem is that people may record loot statistics for weeks and only upload them when they have a lot. To minimise this we should, in addition to one of the other solutions, issue a notice to avoid the collection of loot until the period ends. -- Sixorish (talk) 06:13, June 2, 2017 (UTC)


Agreed. Can any of you (or someone else) do those things? I'm just too busy now. Thanks.

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 14:14, June 2, 2017 (UTC)

JSON API

I've been working on a nice little project I'd like to share with you. The goal is to expose this wikis content in a JSON API, which other people or fansites can use (besides my wikiBot which can use this to read wiki articles, change things and write them back). I first wrote my code in Java, but to host the API on this wiki itself I thought it should run on the wiki. So I ported (part of) my code to lua. You can see a demo here. If you edit the page, you can change the word "Bear" to another creature you like and click on preview to see the result. Right now I only support Creatures, but ultimately all types will be supported.

Next thing to look into is how to use query parameters to call the lua module, so you can get the JSON of a specific article by going to an url like: http://tibia.wikia.com/wiki/User:Bennie/Test?article_name=bear

-- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 20:58, June 3, 2017 (UTC)


Holy crap, this looks so amazing. I didn't know we could have such things due to security issues.

However, does your lua script perform the parsing itself? There will be a ton of issues when dealing with "edge cases" if you parse it yourself. Like this:

{{ Infobox Creature (space has no meaning here)

or this:

{{{{{1|Infobox Creature}}} (don't think we use this, but it's possible).

If there's a library script that actually invokes the preprocessor to generate a parse tree, this would be perfect. -- Sixorish (talk) 07:37, June 4, 2017 (UTC)


Yeah, it is pretty cool. I found out the MediaWiki API can also give back parsed pages, so you could perform a GET on this page.

Sixorish, how did you make your API, you didn't use the MediaWiki API, did you? It would be useful if one could access a certain wiki page and only get json in return, to really have a REST endpoint.

The lua script does perform the parsing, indeed. Those edge cases will break it, it's not very robust unfortunately. I have no idea what you mean with preprocessor and parse tree, can you explain? I thought it is most logical to base the json on the raw wikitext. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 10:31, June 4, 2017 (UTC)


I mean to say that it would be so much better to have the MediaWiki engine process a page and give you a structured representation of the data. It's a bit silly to rewrite the MediaWiki parser to interpret wikitext correctly.

My "API" was based on the MediaWiki API. You can generate page contents from the API in batches of 400-500(?), which is super useful for bots. I'm guessing the lua is based on the API as well.

-- Sixorish (talk) 12:36, June 4, 2017 (UTC)

Clickable Images Triggering Creature Ranks

I just made a test with clickable images in DPL lists on List of Creatures by Experience to Hit Points Ratio. Unfortunately, Creature Ranks are triggered by clickable images. Does anyone know a way to circumvent this?

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 03:09, August 5, 2017 (UTC)


Just that I understand you, you want to keep the golden star left of the word Abyssador, but not have a golden star appear left of the clickable image of Abyssador? You'll have to add a new CSS rule to MediaWiki:Custom_Scripts/Creature_Ranks/Creature_Ranks.css where you exclude the behaviour when there is an img tag inside an hyperlink tag, when direct child.

Let me know if you need help with that! -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 08:29, September 16, 2017 (UTC)


Actually, it seems you need a parent selector for this, which is not supported by CSS yet. For now the only solution would be to use javascript. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 11:13, September 17, 2017 (UTC)


Yes Check Sorted. I don't know if we need to have that peer reviewed? @Bennie we get around this by exploiting the fact that those images have classes that links don't (.image.image-thumbnail) in order to reset the :before attributes.

-- Sixorish (talk) 14:42, September 17, 2017 (UTC)


Smart. Stupid of me to oversee this simple solution. I don't see a review button which javascript pages like MediaWiki:Common.js have. It doesn't load for me yet, but this may be a caching issue. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 15:01, September 17, 2017 (UTC)


Nice job, Six!

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 18:48, September 18, 2017 (UTC)


Is it working? I tested this in the console and it seems to work, but the server isn't updating its CSS. Maybe the CSS doesn't get regenerated until some code review is passed? -- Sixorish (talk) 13:40, September 20, 2017 (UTC)


It is not working yet. Shouldn't TibiaWiki:Styles/Creature Ranks.css be edited too?

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 19:36, September 22, 2017 (UTC)


I thought the TibiaWiki css page was replaced with the MediaWiki css page, since Wikia wants custom js and css inclusions only from "trusted" places. But I don't know how the inclusion system actually works. It's not as if there is an import statement in MediaWiki:Common.css. -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 20:28, September 22, 2017 (UTC)


@Hunter: You're right, the MediaWiki: CSS page isn't actually being used, the TibiaWiki:Styles/... page needed to be updated. Cheers, -- Sixorish (talk) 08:59, September 26, 2017 (UTC)


If you are sure, can you delete the unused one? -- Bennie (talk ~ fellows) 18:36, September 26, 2017 (UTC)



Items/Objects sold on the Store and their price

I noticed that there's a general lack of information on item's articles regarding to Store availability. For example, if you go on Mana Potion there's no mention that you can buy them on the Store, this information is only available on the Store's page. Same thing applies to Runes, some House Equipment, etc.

There's also a problem when it comes to the TC prices. For example, the Brocade Tapestry says Bought for 50 Tibia Coins gp. Some types such as objects (e.g. Mana Cask) and outfits also don't have a price parameter, which means it's not possible to add this information to their articles using a parameter. On the other hand, Template:Infobox Mount has a price parameter that works very well.

Finally there's the issue of having bundles of items available with different amounts and price, like 125x Mana Potions for 5 TC and 300x Mana Potions for 10 TC. Considering all this I had an idea which I'm not sure could be implemented:

A storeprices parameter would be added to the templates of types that include store products (Item, Outfit, Object, ?). This could be just a value for 1x items, but it wouldn't work for bundles, so perhaps new templates would be useful as its value. Something like:

{{Store Price
 |{{Store Bundle|amount|price}}
 |{{Store Bundle|amount|price}}
}}

For example:

{{Store Price
 |{{Store Bundle|125|5}}
 |{{Store Bundle|300|10}}
}}

This should translate into something like this:

http://i.imgur.com/eDKp5Ql.png

What do you guys think? I'm sorry if it has been discussed before but I didn't see any mention on the archives. If you want I can offer to try creating the templates (I'd just need to read how to do it and where to test it), and of course update the pages after implementation.

Molx (talk) 14:19, August 9, 2017 (UTC)


Thanks for pointing it out! I added parameters related to Store prices to Template:Infobox Outfit. I also added a parameter for achievement.

Someone still has to add Store prices parameters to Template:Infobox Item.

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 22:23, August 24, 2017 (UTC)


Problem is, the Store-bought potions might need their very own pages. They don't stack with the regular shop-bought potions and have a flavourtext (as opposed to their shop-bought counterparts). However (to make things more complicated), putting either type of potion under a hotkey will make that hotkey work for both types... -- Wouterboy (talk) 14:22, August 25, 2017 (UTC)


Thanks Hunter, I see that you also updated all pages already, nice!

The Store potions and runes thing is indeed problematic. But I have the impression they are the same item (.dat wise), with maybe one attribute that gives items from the Store specific properties. Molx (talk) 18:29, August 25, 2017 (UTC)

Update Minimap Floor Files

The Minimap files are protected pages, I assume because they were used by the mapper and hence very sensitive. Now they are used just in the miniature map on NPC pages. They haven't been updated in a while, which leads to NPCs being displayed on the ocean, e.g. Valindara. Could someone please unprotect these files or update the images? Files are:

File:Minimap Floor 0.png, File:Minimap Floor 1.png, File:Minimap Floor 2.png, File:Minimap Floor 3.png, File:Minimap Floor 4.png, File:Minimap Floor 5.png, File:Minimap Floor 6.png, File:Minimap Floor 7.png, File:Minimap Floor 8.png, File:Minimap Floor 9.png, File:Minimap Floor 10.png, File:Minimap Floor 11.png, File:Minimap Floor 12.png, File:Minimap Floor 13.png, File:Minimap Floor 14.png, File:Minimap Floor 15.png

The optimal solution would be making Template:Minimap work with the tibiamaps files, but that doesn't seem to be an easy thing to do.

Molx (talk) 18:07, September 4, 2017 (UTC)


I sent an email to Mathias last night asking him to update our Mapper files, but I don't know when he will have time for this.

If you can, Molx, you can use the TibiaMaps PNG files found here to create the new versions of the files you mentioned. Please, follow the same standards (centering and dimensions / water margins). Oh, and don't forget File:Minimap Floor 7h.png. :-)

Once you have the files, I will unprotect them, then you can upload the new versions and I will protect them again.

Edit: Mathias told me he is going to do it over the weekend.

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 22:44, September 13, 2017 (UTC)


I didn't read the edit until it was too late, haha. If you want I can upload them. There is an excessive empty space on the bottom of these images, not sure why. Nevertheless, I kept the same sizes, as requested. If it works as expected you can tell Mathias not to worry about it. :) Molx (talk) 20:23, September 14, 2017 (UTC)


Done, all users are allowed to upload new versions of those files for now.

Edit: The reason for the excessive empty space can be explained by checking Template:Minimap. After exploring new areas from a certain update, there was at least one 1##129##.map file i.e Y = 129 (not on the ground floor, as you can see), that's why we needed to change the Mapper files dimensions.

Hunter of Dragoes (Talk · Contribs · Admins) - 21:14, September 14, 2017 (UTC)


Done, thanks! - Molx (talk) 02:16, September 15, 2017 (UTC)

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